The Better Learning Podcast is about improving education at all levels - Schools (public, charter, private, independent), Higher Education, & Corporate/Adult Learning. The major theme is to break down the silos and learn from others doing innovative things in education. We highlight innovative programs & initiatives, lessons learned, improvements to educational space, and real-world tactics while getting a deeper understanding of the people behind the innovation. Our guests include Heads of Schools, Superintendents, Principals, Entrepreneurs, Non-profit leaders and other innovators. Hosted by Kevin Stoller, CEO of & author of Creating Better Learning Environments.



June 8, 2022

Welcome to Season 6 of the Better Learning Podcast! Our fourth episode in the Season features Remco Bergsma, the President and CEO of MiEN Company.

Remco started MiEN Company with an idea in mind - to design open learning and working spaces that mirror modern working environments so that students were better prepared for the real world. Intentional design in schools can build readiness for the work environment and amplifies the soft skills future employers are looking for. While teachers move away from traditional instruction, schools must also adapt and create active learning spaces that help educators make an impact.

Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at


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If you are interested in being on the show or know someone who would be a great guest, please connect with Kevin Stoller.